BARF Militia

[Tim-That CX Guy]

Strictly speaking, you cannot buy ammunition for your neighbor, the neighbor has to purchase his own (the whole background check thing).

 

[Melissa]

Strictly speaking, you cannot buy ammunition for your neighbor, the neighbor has to purchase his own (the whole background check thing).

I see. What if I was inquiring on someone's behalf? Does any one have any info. on the items wanted?

 

[berth]

Are you asking about the ammo or the process of buying it?

And can't he sell up to some number, 500 rounds? 50 rounds? to his neighbor with no paperwork? Is that an annual limit? Monthly? I don't remember. I know there's a tiny loophole of some kind, but it's not really practical.

 

[Sharxfan]

I have some questions about buying 9mm ammo target grade and rock island armory 22 tcm armscore for my neighbor. Does any one in this thread know anything
about these items? Hopefully I won't be placed on government watch list for mentioning this on da BARF!

I don't know of any target grade 9mm unless you are talking about FMJ. I really don't have any input on 22 TCM. Although finding ammo right now is going to be hard and probably cost way more than it should be given ammo scarcity right now.

 

[Tim-That CX Guy]

I see. What if I was inquiring on someone's behalf? Does any one have any info. on the items wanted?

The question was not well worded, thus my confusion.

So, if your neighbor is looking for any 9mm, it's ridiculously hard to find in brick & mortar stores right now. Almost as soon as it becomes available in a store, it's scooped up, or it's limited to like one or two boxes per customer.
Narrowing the request down to 124gr FMJ/Ball/target is only going to make it harder for him/her to find any.

22 TCM, a highly specific proprietary round, is available. . . "but". . . local retailers probably aren't going to have any. Sportsman's Warehouse & Bass Pro don't have any as of 10 minutes ago.

Now, I would highly recommend to your neighbor, that he become a member of CalGuns and start doing research on firearm laws. Things have changed extensively over the past three years.
For example, ammunition cannot be delivered to your door (unless you have an FFL 03/COE, and even then many online retailers will not sell to CA residences).
Online ammunition sales are possible, he has to find an FFL willing to accept the shipment and transfer the ammo at that FFL.
Private ammo sales are still possible, but have to be done at an FFL.

He has to have a background check for ANY ammunition transfer, so his CDL has to be up to date with his present address, and of equal importance, he has to have either a) purchased a firearm within the last few years, or b) added one of his firearms on CFARS.
If he has not done either, then he will fail the $1 background check because the CA DOJ doesn't know that he has a gun. (as a side note, caliber is irrelevant - he can add the serial number of any single caliber in CFARS, and be able to purchase any kind of ammunition after acceptance)

That being said, failing the $1 background check is not the final say in ammunition purchases.
He can pay $19 for a full background check, but that can take a week, and that $19 is for every ammo purchase until a gun has been registered through CFARS or he has purchased a firearm at an FFL.

 

[Sharxfan]

Wait what!!!!!!!! You guys have to register a firearm before you can purchase ammo? What a way to create a gun registry........ without saying you are creating one.

 

[Tim-That CX Guy]

Wait what!!!!!!!! You guys have to register a firearm before you can purchase ammo? What a way to create a gun registry........ without saying you are creating one.

I went back and looked at the regs - if you have not purchased a long gun or shotgun since 2014 (handguns have been registered for much, much longer), then you may not be in the ARF system.
If you are not in the system, no ammo for you, until you list at least one of them on CFARS (or pay the $19 background check every time you want to buy ammo).

Oh, and if you do not have a CA "Real ID," then you have to bring another document with you from this list:
(1) Valid, unexpired U.S. passport or passport card.
(2) Certified copy of U.S. birth certificate (issued by a city, county, or state vital statistics office). “Abbreviated” or “Abstract” certificates are NOT accepted.
(3) Certification of Birth Abroad (FS-545), Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350) or Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (FS-240), issued by the U.S. Department of State.
(4) Valid, unexpired foreign passport with valid U.S. immigrant visa and approved Record of Arrival/Departure (I-94) form.
(5) Certified copy of birth certificate from a U.S. Territory.
(6) Certificate of Naturalization or U.S. Citizenship.
(7) Valid, unexpired Permanent Resident Card.

Link below:
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/apap


This is slowly winding its way through the court system (there is an injunction in place, but the injunction has also been stayed).
It's going to be a REALLY long time before it sees the light of day.

 

[Sharxfan]

In all honesty, I see Cali as just a foreshadowing of what is going to happen everywhere with the way things are going.

Reminds me I need to buy some parts and stock up on some stuff before they ban online sales of parts for guns due to "loopholes"....

 

[berth]

Wait what!!!!!!!! You guys have to register a firearm before you can purchase ammo? What a way to create a gun registry........ without saying you are creating one.

What are you talking about? Since 1991 all handguns have had to go through an FFL and are registered. Similarly, since 2014, the same thing with long guns.

This doesn't include the assorted AW registrations.

You need to be a registered owner of A firearm to purchase ammo, but there's nothing that says you have register everything, lots of grandfathered firearms in CA. There are laws that make crimes done with unregistered firearms more serious. Concealed carry of a pistol without a permit is bad. Concealed carry of an unregistered pistol is worse.

Also, if you've purchased any firearms that were registered, and then moved, then you need to update the CA system with your new address to pass the background check for ammo.

 

[brichter]

You need to be a registered owner of A firearm to purchase ammo, but there's nothing that says you have register everything, lots of grandfathered firearms in CA.

This.

And they're not gonna come looking for you if you register a 9mm and buy some 7.62x51. :thumbup

 

[racercosmo]

What are you talking about? Since 1991 all handguns have had to go through an FFL and are registered. Similarly, since 2014, the same thing with long guns.

And any handgun purchased from a dealer has been registered since the early 1930s.

 

[Tim-That CX Guy]

But not necessarily still in the record books.
Pistol DROS as we know it today is dead on accurate from 1991, not so much from the 1930's because PPT through an FFL wasn't a thing back then.
Long Gun DROS since 2014.
Regardless, as I said, you only need "at least one of them on CFARS."

For now. God only knows what will happen after this election.

 

[berth]

And any handgun purchased from a dealer has been registered since the early 1930s.

The registration change that happened in '91 was the necessity for all transfers to go through an FFL, and thus the State.

Before that you could private party transfer with none being the wiser, thus "breaking" the original DROS form with no consequence.

With the FFL involvement, the chain of custody should be maintained by the State now.

 

[bergmen]

But not necessarily still in the record books.
Pistol DROS as we know it today is dead on accurate from 1991, not so much from the 1930's because PPT through an FFL wasn't a thing back then.
Long Gun DROS since 2014.
Regardless, as I said, you only need "at least one of them on CFARS."

For now. God only knows what will happen after this election.

Handgun DROS data can be full of holes. I made a request from the DOJ to list all of the firearms that they say are "registered" to me (I forget the formal process) but there were several mistakes. This was done in the early 2000s and they specifically indicated that no information on long arms existed in their database.

I did this to make sure the handguns on my CCW license were indeed "registered" to me. One of them was not, they had no record of my purchase through an FFL in Santa Rosa. So I pulled it from my license rather than let them know that I had it.

The FFL did not exist prior to the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Reporting of handgun sales from "dealers" has been required since 1924 in California. No transfer of ownership through FFL until 1991 as you say, only the original sale through FFL was recorded, you could sell it to anyone after that with no reporting requirement to the state or feds.

Dan

 

[racercosmo]

But not necessarily still in the record books.
Pistol DROS as we know it today is dead on accurate from 1991, not so much from the 1930's because PPT through an FFL wasn't a thing back then.
Long Gun DROS since 2014.
Regardless, as I said, you only need "at least one of them on CFARS."

For now. God only knows what will happen after this election.

Sure, all of that. But the point is in response to

What a way to create a gun registry........ without saying you are creating one.

There's no need to create a gun registry without saying you are creating one, when one was created almost 100 years ago.

 

[Sharxfan]

With ammo availability/prices being as crazy as they are I am thinking about picking up a Taurus TX22 Competition optics ready package as I have quite a few boxes of 22lr sitting around. What say the militia goons on this gun? It is either that or wait for an M&P 22 but I am kind of digging optics on pistols now.

 

[wilit]

With ammo availability/prices being as crazy as they are I am thinking about picking up a Taurus TX22 Competition optics ready package as I have quite a few boxes of 22lr sitting around. What say the militia goons on this gun? It is either that or wait for an M&P 22 but I am kind of digging optics on pistols now.

Asking Californians about a handgun not on the roster is like asking a blind man what shade of blue he prefers.

 

[berth]

Asking Californians about a handgun not on the roster is like asking a blind man what shade of blue he prefers.

It's actually kind of surprising the manufacturers aren't bringing the modern .22s to CA. The level of burden, I believe, for them to be on the roster is lower than a centerfire pistol. (There is still a burden and cost, of course, but CA is a big market and you'd think those fixed costs would be readily absorbed, especially for something as popular as a .22.).

I know folks like Ruger aren't doing it "because CA", but not all manufacturers are necessarily as principled as Ruger.

 

[bergmen]

It's actually kind of surprising the manufacturers aren't bringing the modern .22s to CA. The level of burden, I believe, for them to be on the roster is lower than a centerfire pistol. (There is still a burden and cost, of course, but CA is a big market and you'd think those fixed costs would be readily absorbed, especially for something as popular as a .22.).

I know folks like Ruger aren't doing it "because CA", but not all manufacturers are necessarily as principled as Ruger.

I believe any semi-auto handgun has to have micro stamping to be considered for the roaster, including .22.

Dan

 

[wilit]

I believe any semi-auto handgun has to have micro stamping to be considered for the roaster, including .22.

Dan

Yep, exactly.