Nation-wide climate strike by students

Holeshot

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UDRider said:
Ok, reread chain of conversations and miss understood.

That being said, I think broader point still stands across various types of cars it didn't double. Pickups went up by 28% rest either down or more modestly. So I don't think weight alone accounts for mpg being meh.
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Agree on the average, weight not doubling. But, MPG has gone up when comparing same manufactuer and class. Take a 2001 BMW 5 series with the big motor: 22mpg HWY, and a 2020 BMW 5-series: 30MPG. So, pretty good increases, IMO.

ScarySpikes said:
On normal roads, I'm not sure how often you get up above 80-100, but someone ran it to it's top speed from a standstill.

Definitely slows down as all cars do, but still plenty fast.

Yea, the used market is definitely a problem. You can get EVs used for dirt cheap, but they are the city cars with only 100 MPH. great for a commuter car, probably not a great option of you only have 1 car.
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The only dirt cheap EV I can think of are the Nissan Leaf and Fiat 500E and I'd recommend neither. The next level is 10-12K or so.

I like the Model S Teslas, but an EV is still not a big bore ICE. I can fit 5 people and run past the two century mark at speed while burning fuel. It's raw fun. Still, I drive a PEV for daily stuff...the motor won't wear out and I do enjoy the electric part of it, especially with a dog on a hot day. I can leave her in the car and not worry about leaving the engine running for A/C. It's a great benefit....but not 200 mph.
 
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ScarySpikes said:
On normal roads, I'm not sure how often you get up above 80-100, but someone ran it to it's top speed from a standstill.


Definitely slows down as all cars do, but still plenty fast.

Yea, the used market is definitely a problem. You can get EVs used for dirt cheap, but they are the city cars with only 100 MPH. great for a commuter car, probably not a great option of you only have 1 car.
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Over 80? LOL, every time I drive on a freeway? 80 is just normal freeway speed. Eventually you will come across some dumbass parking it at 75mph in the left lane you have to hammer it around.

Like you can see on those numbers. After 60mph, the Tesla acceleration drops way off, while a speed wired ICE can drop a gear and hammer higher.

:dunno All of that is not super important, but just goes to my point that electric is not a clear performance winner in all situations, although it is clearly a drag strip king because of the sexy torque those motors throw.

bikewanker said:
I too have an ICEmobile that I enjoy as soon as I press the starter button. I was a bit of a motor head during the original muscle care era, beep-beep, so I’m sentimental towards ICE. When I first started riding I’d take a break and admire my machinery. I think having an understanding of all the machinations of an ICE appeals to me. I even have exhaust sound memories that the enhanced sound of my car appeases. I know little about EVs, never even ridden in one so no appeal. I have heard them drive by. Plus I own oil stocks. I would have an ebike before the car.
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My first car was a 2nd Gen Camaro 20+ years ago, but I had so many commuter cars, sport compacts, and work trucks since then, I had honestly forgotten how fun big v8 RWD was until I actually drove this Dodge. I just remembered that I never wanted to go back to the 9mpg my old 4 barrel 'Maro used to get. :laughing
 
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Climber

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Holeshot said:
We're foolish for not using nuclear more, IMO.
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We haven't proven, as a nation, that we can properly dispose of nuclear material, in fact quite the opposite.

Aren't we coming up on the end of some of the early nuclear power plant lifes?

I have no illusions that they are going to get done well with past performance as an indicator.
 
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UDRider said:
What does that mean? Higher top speed, or more HP and quicker acceleration?
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All of the above. An 80s accord was doing 0-60 in 10ish seconds. Now they are doing it 5.7 secs even though it's a much bigger and heavier car. That's massively more performance.
 
kevin 714

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Bowling4Bikes said:
I saw an article from Time, ironically, asserting that future manufacturing is the biggest threat to the climate. This includes ICE vehicles yet to be built, due to their dependence on using fossil fuels once purchased.

http://science.time.com/2010/09/09/energy-reducing-co2-emissions-will-be-harder-than-you-think/
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the usa is fucked, pretty much the entirety of the country is built of personal vehicle ownership/dependence. your car isn't freedom, its slavery. we need a massive re-tooling of our transportation network.
 
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kevin 714 said:
the usa is fucked, pretty much the entirety of the country is built of personal vehicle ownership/dependence. your car isn't freedom, its slavery. we need a massive re-tooling of our transportation network.
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That's the rub. Our public transportation system is poorly done, especially in the Bay Area.

To get around the Bay Area with public transportation is dirty, slow and often a pain-in-the-ass. Muni is a sick joke in many areas, my daughter went to USF where they got issued Muni passes, at full-fair expense (wonder who got the kick-backs) with no say about it. When she tried to use Muni, she often had to wait far longer than she should have, plenty of Muni buses just wizzed past, full already, forcing them to wait for the next which might or might not be full. Sometimes none came by on the appointed time. I've been to poor countries in South America where the public transportation was far cleaner, more timely and probably cost a fraction of the cost to run.
 
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Climber said:
That's the rub. Our public transportation system is poorly done, especially in the Bay Area.

To get around the Bay Area with public transportation is dirty, slow and often a pain-in-the-ass. Muni is a sick joke in many areas, my daughter went to USF where they got issued Muni passes, at full-fair expense (wonder who got the kick-backs) with no say about it. When she tried to use Muni, she often had to wait far longer than she should have, plenty of Muni buses just wizzed past, full already, forcing them to wait for the next which might or might not be full. Sometimes none came by on the appointed time. I've been to poor countries in South America where the public transportation was far cleaner, more timely and probably cost a fraction of the cost to run.
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im glad im able to take the SMART train from sonoma to marin. new trains, super clean, efficent and quick and on time. thankful AF i live close to it.
 
UDRider

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Izzy_C said:
Cars in general are just fast... maybe faster than they need to be to be honest.

Even just a normal looking base Camry has 200hp these days..

I've got 100rwhp on a good day, still spins the tires pretty good in the wet :teeth

100 is enough to haul me and my Dizzer in the bed at freeway speeds without issue.

Cars also handle better than they ever have before. I drove a friends '18 Civic and it felt like a race car compared to my truck.
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Ok. They are overall faster and more powerful. Are you saying just by virtue of that it lowers mpg from what it could have been?
 
ScarySpikes

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Eldritch said:
Over 80? LOL, every time I drive on a freeway? 80 is just normal freeway speed. Eventually you will come across some dumbass parking it at 75mph in the left lane you have to hammer it around.

Like you can see on those numbers. After 60mph, the Tesla acceleration drops way off, while a speed wired ICE can drop a gear and hammer higher.

:dunno All of that is not super important, but just goes to my point that electric is not a clear performance winner in all situations, although it is clearly a drag strip king because of the sexy torque those motors throw.



My first car was a 2nd Gen Camaro 20+ years ago, but I had so many commuter cars, sport compacts, and work trucks since then, I had honestly forgotten how fun big v8 RWD was until I actually drove this Dodge. I just remembered that I never wanted to go back to the 9mpg my old 4 barrel 'Maro used to get. :laughing
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I'm not sure you were watching the same video. There was a speed drop-off, but it was at more like 120 or 130. You can tune those motors to deliver power in a way that will put them into crazy speeds. Rimac is doing just that getting up to speeds in the of like 226 MPH.

Except for the very specific noise, there isn't much in terms of performance that an EV can't deliver but an normal engine can. On the other hand it took one of the biggest auto conglomerates over a billion dollars in money, and around a decade of dedicated time researching to make a reliable engine that delivers more than 1000 Horsepower in a supercar, in 2005. Only 11 years later Rimac, a comparatively tiny Croatian supercar manufacturer, was able to get an electric motor into the 1300 HP range in it's first production car.
 
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Eldritch said:
Over 80? LOL, every time I drive on a freeway? 80 is just normal freeway speed. Eventually you will come across some dumbass parking it at 75mph in the left lane you have to hammer it around.

Like you can see on those numbers. After 60mph, the Tesla acceleration drops way off, while a speed wired ICE can drop a gear and hammer higher.

:dunno All of that is not super important, but just goes to my point that electric is not a clear performance winner in all situations, although it is clearly a drag strip king because of the sexy torque those motors throw.



My first car was a 2nd Gen Camaro 20+ years ago, but I had so many commuter cars, sport compacts, and work trucks since then, I had honestly forgotten how fun big v8 RWD was until I actually drove this Dodge. I just remembered that I never wanted to go back to the 9mpg my old 4 barrel 'Maro used to get. :laughing
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If you regularly drive over 20+ MPH over the limit, ICE vs EV shouldn't be the biggest concern in your life. IMO.
 
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byke said:
Every time I drive through Sac I wonder, how on earth did they decided a rail from north to south is better than improving service between the areas that people actually use use everyday between the bay through at least Roseville/Folsom.
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I don't know but I'm working on the project and it's a lot of job security for awhile.

Sorry, California!
 
Climber

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byke said:
5/99 are two lanes, that's how you know it's not needed. :laughing
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When was the last time you drove down 99?

The traffic is significant throughout the entire day. Last time I drove 5, it was also much more busy than a decade before.

I think that there is a place for a good, affordable and fast train system, not the one planned and everything the comes with it.
 
ScarySpikes

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Climber said:
When was the last time you drove down 99?

The traffic is significant throughout the entire day. Last time I drove 5, it was also much more busy than a decade before.

I think that there is a place for a good, affordable and fast train system, not the one planned and everything the comes with it.
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Plus, a nationwide, true HSR system would take a lot of strain off of our airport system, and just being honest, for the majority of regional travelling I do, If I had the option between a plane ride and a high speed train, I'd prefer a train.
 
byke

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Had to lookup my expense docs, last time I drove from south to north on 99 was in April. Point being, compared to the traffic that moves east/west between the bay and Roseville/Folsom, north/south is a joke.
 
jdhu

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I'm pretty certain we still subsidize the meat and dairy industries? I think one huge contributor would be if we ate less meat and dairy, as far as climate change and general environmental harm.
 
Climber

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jdhu said:
I'm pretty certain we still subsidize the meat and dairy industries? I think one huge contributor would be if we ate less meat and dairy, as far as climate change and general environmental harm.
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Might as well add reducing corn subsidies and put that money into something more efficient. The production of ethanol, requires more energy to produce than you could possibly get out of it, last time I checked over a decade ago.
 
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